From pgadsby at crca.org.au Sat Jun 1 11:32:14 2013 From: pgadsby at crca.org.au (WPGadsby) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 21:32:14 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Bible Translation Committee report Message-ID: <006a01ce5ebb$abf09890$03d1c9b0$@crca.org.au> Dear Brothers, The English Standard Version As Sessions and Classes consider the report of the Synodical Bible Translation Committee, may I draw to your attention the useful paper by Allan Chapple, evaluating the ESV? Please find attached to this email. His findings are appended below. Readability As an exercise, I used a "Readability Index Calculator" (http://www.standards-schmandards.com/exhibits/rix/index.php) which employs the Flesch-Kincaid algorithm to calculate readability (see details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch-Kincaid) for four English versions of Scripture passages. I used text only, with no verse numbers, paragraph breaks or references. Here are the results for four passages of Scripture: Psalm 119 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 7 7 7 8 7 Reading Ease 68 68 66 61 64 Order 1 1 2 3 4 Daniel 12 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 10 10 9 13 9 Reading Ease 60 60 65 54 63 Order 3 3 1 4 2 Matthew 5 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 8 8 8 10 8 Reading Ease 69 67 68 64 69 Order 1 3 2 4 1 2Peter NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 11 12 13 18 12 Reading Ease 55 53 49 35 50 Order 1 2 4 5 3 According to the Wikipedia article, the 'Reading Ease' scores may be interpreted as follows: cid:image002.png at 01CE5ED1.E85E6800 In average Reading Ease, the NIV84 came top (63), with NIV2011 (62) and ESV (62) second, then HCSB (61.5) and finally NAS95 (53.5). Blessings, Peter Gadsby Canberra Chapple's findings Conclusion In this article, I have attempted to assess the quality of the ESV. I have done so by examining the extent to which it achieves its own objectives. In Part 1, I measured the ESV against its goal of being an 'essentially literal' translation. In Part 2, I considered the related aim of providing 'word-for-word correspondence' or 'consistency of translation'. In Part 3, I looked at the ESV's intention of offering 'clarity of expression', especially by replacing 'archaic language' with that in 'current usage'. A set of consistent findings has emerged across all three parts of this investigation. These are: 1. The ESV is essentially the RSV, with only minor changes overall. 2. Where there are variations from the RSV, they seem to be quite haphazard, and don't appear to reflect the consistent pursuit of any of the primary goals the ESV Committee set for itself. 3. The ESV's substantial retention of the vocabulary and phraseology of the RSV gives it a rather dated, awkward 'feel'. It doesn't obviously commend itself as a 21st century version 4. Measured by its own aims, the ESV is not a great success. 5. Of necessity, all mainstream translations are hybrids, a mixture of the 'formal equivalence' and 'dynamic equivalence' approaches. There are not two ways of translating or two kinds of translation-as the ESV's own Preface, and especially publicity for the ESV, might imply. The difference between the ESV and other translations is one of degree only, in relation both to what their objectives emphasise and to how well they achieve them. If these conclusions are sound, several others follow from them: 6. The claim that the ESV is superior to the NIV (or any other modern translation) needs to be demonstrated, and not just asserted. 7. Committing a congregation to use the ESV may mean putting unnecessary obstacles in the way of new Christians, of people from unchurched backgrounds, and of people without an unusually high degree of literacy. 8. We might still get the version that the ESV was supposed to be if the team that worked on it (or another team) did the job again. It appears that the ESV was produced in record time. At least some of the features I have drawn attention to appear to be signs of haste, and doing the task more carefully would undoubtedly yield more consistent and worthwhile results. This final conclusion leads me to raise one more issue. Are the NIV and NRSV really so inadequate, or a redone ESV really so essential, that we can happily accept many thousands of hours and dollars being poured into yet another translation for the English-speaking world? We already have more than we need, and an increasing range of special editions of many of them. How can we keep diverting for our own benefit resources that should be used to ensure that our fellow-Christians in the two-thirds world have just one edition of one translation in their own language? 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Name: Chapple review of ESV (March 2004).pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 168238 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wpg at gadsby.name Sat Jun 1 04:23:18 2013 From: wpg at gadsby.name (WPG) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:23:18 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Bible Translation Committee report Message-ID: <000c01ce5e7f$bea38c90$3beaa5b0$@gadsby.name> Dear Brothers, The English Standard Version As Sessions and Classes consider the report of the Synodical Bible Translation Committee, may I draw to your attention the useful paper by Allan Chapple, evaluating the ESV? Please find attached to this email. His findings are appended below. Readability As an exercise, I used a "Readability Index Calculator" (http://www.standards-schmandards.com/exhibits/rix/index.php) which employs the Flesch-Kincaid algorithm to calculate readability (see details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch-Kincaid) for four English versions of Scripture passages. I used text only, with no verse numbers, paragraph breaks or references. Here are the results for four passages of Scripture: Psalm 119 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 7 7 7 8 7 Reading Ease 68 68 66 61 64 Order 1 1 2 3 4 Daniel 12 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 10 10 9 13 9 Reading Ease 60 60 65 54 63 Order 3 3 1 4 2 Matthew 5 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 8 8 8 10 8 Reading Ease 69 67 68 64 69 Order 1 3 2 4 1 2Peter NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 11 12 13 18 12 Reading Ease 55 53 49 35 50 Order 1 2 4 5 3 According to the Wikipedia article, the 'Reading Ease' scores may be interpreted as follows: In average Reading Ease, the NIV84 came top (63), with NIV2011 (62) and ESV (62) second, then HCSB (61.5) and finally NAS95 (53.5). Blessings, Peter Gadsby Canberra Chapple's findings Conclusion In this article, I have attempted to assess the quality of the ESV. I have done so by examining the extent to which it achieves its own objectives. In Part 1, I measured the ESV against its goal of being an 'essentially literal' translation. In Part 2, I considered the related aim of providing 'word-for-word correspondence' or 'consistency of translation'. In Part 3, I looked at the ESV's intention of offering 'clarity of expression', especially by replacing 'archaic language' with that in 'current usage'. A set of consistent findings has emerged across all three parts of this investigation. These are: 1. The ESV is essentially the RSV, with only minor changes overall. 2. Where there are variations from the RSV, they seem to be quite haphazard, and don't appear to reflect the consistent pursuit of any of the primary goals the ESV Committee set for itself. 3. The ESV's substantial retention of the vocabulary and phraseology of the RSV gives it a rather dated, awkward 'feel'. It doesn't obviously commend itself as a 21st century version 4. Measured by its own aims, the ESV is not a great success. 5. Of necessity, all mainstream translations are hybrids, a mixture of the 'formal equivalence' and 'dynamic equivalence' approaches. There are not two ways of translating or two kinds of translation-as the ESV's own Preface, and especially publicity for the ESV, might imply. The difference between the ESV and other translations is one of degree only, in relation both to what their objectives emphasise and to how well they achieve them. If these conclusions are sound, several others follow from them: 6. The claim that the ESV is superior to the NIV (or any other modern translation) needs to be demonstrated, and not just asserted. 7. Committing a congregation to use the ESV may mean putting unnecessary obstacles in the way of new Christians, of people from unchurched backgrounds, and of people without an unusually high degree of literacy. 8. We might still get the version that the ESV was supposed to be if the team that worked on it (or another team) did the job again. It appears that the ESV was produced in record time. At least some of the features I have drawn attention to appear to be signs of haste, and doing the task more carefully would undoubtedly yield more consistent and worthwhile results. This final conclusion leads me to raise one more issue. Are the NIV and NRSV really so inadequate, or a redone ESV really so essential, that we can happily accept many thousands of hours and dollars being poured into yet another translation for the English-speaking world? We already have more than we need, and an increasing range of special editions of many of them. How can we keep diverting for our own benefit resources that should be used to ensure that our fellow-Christians in the two-thirds world have just one edition of one translation in their own language? 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Many thanks as always. _____ GO.S.P.E.L. request for Prayer * For all the 40 evangelists and their wives and families working in 4 states in Central Western India. * In the state of Maharashtra, our workers praise God for adding eighteen (18) new believers to his kingdom. By His grace eighteen new believers took baptisms in the month of May from different outreach villages. All together we have 10 evangelists working in this State. Please pray for the baptized ones so that they would become good disciples of Jesus Christ. * Please also pray for the candidates for baptism. This month (June) around thirty new believers are to receive baptism. * Prayer is requested for the 26 new out-reach villages, where we have started preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 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For further information or enrolments, please visit the RTC's distance education site (www.refstudy.org) or email registrar at rtc.edu.au [cid:image003.png at 01CE62CC.541EACF0] Teaching and Life to the Glory of God www.rtc.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 18535 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RTC Online Units - Sem2 2013.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 184091 bytes Desc: RTC Online Units - Sem2 2013.pdf URL: From jtzuidy at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 08:54:59 2013 From: jtzuidy at gmail.com (John & Trudy Zuidema) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:54:59 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Recommended discussion on Genesis 1. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, Greetings. For those in Aussie who have been listening to some of the ABC - "Q&A" discussion of the last several weeks, particularly about the discussion concerning the first chapters of Genesis 1 etc, the following link allows for a downloadable 'mp3' file. Rev. Dr. Albert Mohler and Rev. Dr. Bryan Chapell discuss this whole question and it is just neat how they graciously interact with each other and towards those who do not hold a literally understanding of Genesis 1ff. It is about 54 minutes ? just great to download onto your phone or Ipod and listen to as you travel. May it be a blessing to you. http://thegospelcoalition.org/resources/a/are_adam_and_eve_historical_figure s John Zuidema -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From areb at bigpond.net.au Sat Jun 8 05:42:15 2013 From: areb at bigpond.net.au (Albert Esselbrugge) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:42:15 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Bible Translation Committee report In-Reply-To: <000c01ce5e7f$bea38c90$3beaa5b0$@gadsby.name> References: <000c01ce5e7f$bea38c90$3beaa5b0$@gadsby.name> Message-ID: <000601ce640a$f02bdca0$d08395e0$@bigpond.net.au> Thanks Peter for sending the thought provoking observations about the ESV - with regard to comparative readability and Chapple's review. Our committee would like to respond with the following remarks :- 1. While the readability test puts the ESV in quite a good light (equal 2nd with the NIV11), we'd like to reiterate the observations made in the Synod 2006 report - i.e. quantifying readability is extremely difficult. 2. With regard to Chapple's review - please keep in mind that he is assessing all the faults of ONE translation. Our committee has compared the ESV against the faults & strengths of all other viable options. This can radically change the conclusions that can be drawn from such an assessment. For instance, one could say a readability test was done for the ESV & it scored a lousy 62, meaning 11 yr olds would struggle to read it easily. This sounds bad until you point out that by comparison with the "winner", the NIV84 on 63, the ESV is not all that bad after all. 3. Chapple's negative review of the ESV was completed in 2004. Since then the ESV has had two updates (2007 & 2011) 4. Chapple's conclusion is "Do we really need the ESV when we've already got the NIV & the NRSV?" In reply we'd like to point out - a) The NIV is no longer an option & so that part of his conclusion is no longer a consideration b) We as a committee do not believe the NRSV is a better option than the ESV. In fact, for Chapple to even consider the NRSV a better option reveals he has a different view of faithful Bible Translation than is argued in our report. This is because the NRSV takes a similar approach to "political correctness" as does the NIV11, which have already established is inappropriate." CRCA Bible Translation Committee In Christ, Albert Esselbrugge From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of WPG Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013 2:23 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Bible Translation Committee report Dear Brothers, The English Standard Version As Sessions and Classes consider the report of the Synodical Bible Translation Committee, may I draw to your attention the useful paper by Allan Chapple, evaluating the ESV? Please find attached to this email. His findings are appended below. Readability As an exercise, I used a "Readability Index Calculator" (http://www.standards-schmandards.com/exhibits/rix/index.php) which employs the Flesch-Kincaid algorithm to calculate readability (see details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch-Kincaid) for four English versions of Scripture passages. I used text only, with no verse numbers, paragraph breaks or references. Here are the results for four passages of Scripture: Psalm 119 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 7 7 7 8 7 Reading Ease 68 68 66 61 64 Order 1 1 2 3 4 Daniel 12 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 10 10 9 13 9 Reading Ease 60 60 65 54 63 Order 3 3 1 4 2 Matthew 5 NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 8 8 8 10 8 Reading Ease 69 67 68 64 69 Order 1 3 2 4 1 2Peter NIV 1984 NIV 2011 ESV NAS95 HCSB Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 11 12 13 18 12 Reading Ease 55 53 49 35 50 Order 1 2 4 5 3 According to the Wikipedia article, the 'Reading Ease' scores may be interpreted as follows: In average Reading Ease, the NIV84 came top (63), with NIV2011 (62) and ESV (62) second, then HCSB (61.5) and finally NAS95 (53.5). Blessings, Peter Gadsby Canberra Chapple's findings Conclusion In this article, I have attempted to assess the quality of the ESV. I have done so by examining the extent to which it achieves its own objectives. In Part 1, I measured the ESV against its goal of being an 'essentially literal' translation. In Part 2, I considered the related aim of providing 'word-for-word correspondence' or 'consistency of translation'. In Part 3, I looked at the ESV's intention of offering 'clarity of expression', especially by replacing 'archaic language' with that in 'current usage'. A set of consistent findings has emerged across all three parts of this investigation. These are: 1. The ESV is essentially the RSV, with only minor changes overall. 2. Where there are variations from the RSV, they seem to be quite haphazard, and don't appear to reflect the consistent pursuit of any of the primary goals the ESV Committee set for itself. 3. The ESV's substantial retention of the vocabulary and phraseology of the RSV gives it a rather dated, awkward 'feel'. It doesn't obviously commend itself as a 21st century version 4. Measured by its own aims, the ESV is not a great success. 5. Of necessity, all mainstream translations are hybrids, a mixture of the 'formal equivalence' and 'dynamic equivalence' approaches. There are not two ways of translating or two kinds of translation-as the ESV's own Preface, and especially publicity for the ESV, might imply. The difference between the ESV and other translations is one of degree only, in relation both to what their objectives emphasise and to how well they achieve them. If these conclusions are sound, several others follow from them: 6. The claim that the ESV is superior to the NIV (or any other modern translation) needs to be demonstrated, and not just asserted. 7. Committing a congregation to use the ESV may mean putting unnecessary obstacles in the way of new Christians, of people from unchurched backgrounds, and of people without an unusually high degree of literacy. 8. We might still get the version that the ESV was supposed to be if the team that worked on it (or another team) did the job again. It appears that the ESV was produced in record time. At least some of the features I have drawn attention to appear to be signs of haste, and doing the task more carefully would undoubtedly yield more consistent and worthwhile results. This final conclusion leads me to raise one more issue. Are the NIV and NRSV really so inadequate, or a redone ESV really so essential, that we can happily accept many thousands of hours and dollars being poured into yet another translation for the English-speaking world? We already have more than we need, and an increasing range of special editions of many of them. How can we keep diverting for our own benefit resources that should be used to ensure that our fellow-Christians in the two-thirds world have just one edition of one translation in their own language? Surely it is time for us to say (at least for a while), 'Enough is enough!' '... as a matter of fairness, [our] abundance at the present time should supply their need .' 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For those churches whose Treasurer is not on email, would the Clerks and/or Ministers please see that the Treasurer receives this letter? regards Troy Troy Vander Noord Synodical Treasurer Christian Reformed Churches of Australia PO Box 312 DOONSIDE NSW 2767 P - 02 9920 1735 F - 02 9920 0776 M - 0424 177 959 This email and any attachments to it are confidential. You must not use, disclose or act on the email if you are not the intended recipient. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Between semesters we anticipate some renovations in the library foyer area in order to create a new student lounge. Until now students have not had their own designated space, so this will be a great improvement for their informal interactions together. Students will be helping with the renovations and are hosting a Trivia evening this coming Saturday night to help raise some funds. Second Semester Distance Units The following units will be offered via distance mode during the second semester: NT302D/502D - The Early New Testament Church PE301D/501D - Introduction to Christian Ethics EM426D/626D - Church Planting These are great opportunities to undertake some theological study from the convenience of your own home. It is the first time our Church Planting subject will be offered by distance mode and it will be of enormous value to those involved in or thinking about church planting. Please contact Phillip Scheepers at pscheepers at rtc.edu.au for more information on the distance programme. Book Recommendation (by Dr Phillip Scheepers) The Third Choice - Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom, by Mark Durie (Melbourne: Deror Books, 2010), 270 pages. It is fair to say that Islam is never far from Western public consciousness at the moment. Events like the [cid:image003.jpg at 01CE675D.61AED3F0] Boston bombing and the murder of a soldier on the streets of London throw up perplexing questions about an ideology simultaneously viewed as the 'Religion of Peace' by some and as an inspiration to commit violent acts by others. Mark Durie does an excellent job in this eminently readable work to help readers who are asking questions about the nature of Islam (and specifically its relationship with non-believers) to navigate through the maze of conflicting opinions. A major part of the work is devoted to an analysis (from primary Islamic sources) of the concept of dhimmitude. Dhimmis were non-Muslims allowed to continue to practice their faith in Islamic societies on the understanding that they were subservient to Muslims and had to pay heavy extra taxes for the 'privilege' of being able to practice their faith. Durie argues that it is impossible to understand modern Islam and the demands that it directs towards the West without taking the institution of dhimmitude into account. He convincingly argues that the mindset created by dhimmitude informs Islamic attitudes toward non-Muslims to this day. The subject matter may seem a bit dry from my description but I can assure you that it is not. The book is a fascinating read and readers will walk away with an enhanced understanding of the responses of Islam to the modern world. Faculty News ? Phillip Scheepers will visit Myanmar (Burma) in July, Lord willing, to present a series of lectures at the Reformed Theological College of Myanmar in Yangon (Rangoon). He will also have discussions with members of the RTC Myanmar community to explore ways in which the two RTC's could possibly work together for the advance of the Kingdom. ? Murray Capill will be at the fourth Advance Together conference this weekend. It is being held at New Life Church (Blacktown) on Saturday 15 June, where he will also preach on Sunday morning. For more details, go to: http://www.rtc.vic.edu.au/Calendar/Events/Advance-Together ? From the end of July, Murray Capill will be away for most of the second semester taking long service leave. It is 12 years since he began teaching at the College. During his absence Dr Bill Berends will be the Acting Principal of the RTC and other staff members will also pick up some added responsibilities. Ministry Spot (by Dr Murray Capill) Humans are remarkably and profoundly integrated beings. Our physical, emotional, spiritual, social and mental well-being are all intimately related beings. While my mind, at times, wanders off somewhere else, it is not possible for my body to go somewhere without my soul. Body and soul work together, and one affects the other. Our spiritual life is affected by our physical well-being, and our physical, emotional and psychological condition affects our spirituality. That means that spiritual discipline necessarily involves physical discipline, and it implies that the pursuit of godliness has implications for the way we care for our bodies. We cannot focus on the spirit or soul and ignore the body. In the previous three articles I have explored some perspectives on various spiritual disciplines that are necessary for our growth in grace. But I want to conclude by reflecting on the relationship between spiritual discipline and physical discipline. Godliness, I propose, has something to do with how we eat, sleep, exercise and rest, and where we lack physical discipline we will most likely reap a negative impact in our spiritual life, not to mention our emotional, mental and social life. In the beginning God created us to rule in his world, enjoying and exploring, filling and governing the material world for his glory. Part of the creation we are to rule is our own body. We are to look after, feed, protect and use it for God's glory. Paul is able to build his command for husbands to love their wives on just this reality: "no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church..." (Eph 5:29). In feeding and caring for our body, we must be careful not to idolize it as our culture so readily does, turning the body into a god. An obsession with how we look, with what others think of us, or with our weight, clothes and appearance is ungodly because it causes us to focus far more on ourselves than on God. Whether we love our body or hate it, an unhealthy obsession with it takes time and energy away from serving God and glorifying him. Conversely, to neglect our bodies, failing to feed them healthily, protect them adequately, present them appropriately, exercise them regularly or sleep them properly, is also to neglect our creation mandate. Our body is as much a part of the creation as anything else. We are to be stewards of our bodies, keeping them in the best condition possible for godly service. If I'm too tired to think, or so unfit I can't sustain normal activity, then I am not stewarding the most useful resource God has given me in this world - my own body. Of course there are conditions, physical and psychological, that may make it hard for us to keep our body in good order and, in time, we will all experience physical weakness and be faced with our own mortality. The body is a tent that will one day be discarded. But we are to look after the tent as well as we can despite the afflictions that come on it in this cursed world, knowing that ultimately, God is not only redeeming our souls but our bodies also. They are of eternal worth. To the creation mandate of caring for our bodies there is the added incentive for believers to care for their bodies as temples of the Holy Spirit. Although our body is subject to decay and is outwardly wasting away, the Holy Spirit has, nonetheless, taken up residence within us. Paul argues this as an incentive for sexual purity (1 Cor 6) and it is, by implication, a motivation to use our bodies in a godly way in every arena of life. If we are not our own but belong, body and soul, to Jesus Christ, then we need to bring our bodies into submission to Christ and make them an honourable home for his Spirit. We need, then, to enact discipline in the way we steward our bodies so that we honour God with them and maximise them as the best resource possible for serving God with all our strength and for serving and loving others. In view of this, we perhaps do well to ask ourselves some fairly straight questions... First, do I get enough sleep or am I always tired? Do I give my body adequate rest, allowing it to enjoy the blessing of time off, of recreation and of relaxation? It is not ungodly to rest. In fact God built into creation cycles of day and night, work and rest. Many serious Christians become so committed to ministry and service that they do not know how to stop and they feel guilty if they do. We often measure sanctity by activity. But godliness requires sleep! Second, do I keep my body as fit as can reasonably be expected? I say 'as can reasonably be expected' because we all have different physical capacities and age and health will determine what is possible. But some level of fitness greatly aids overall well-being and therefore our ability to serve God and other people. Since the industrial revolution, the lives of most people have become far more sedentary. Exercise is not part of our life in the way it used to be, or in the way it still is for farmers, tradesmen and a few other vocations. Many of us need to compensate for the many hours we spend behind a computer or in a car, with some disciplined times of exercise. At least three times a week for at least twenty minutes, says my doctor! Thirdly, do I eat responsibly? Again, we all have different metabolisms and we cannot set a godly weight limit! But gluttony is a sin and as our culture increasingly cultivates an obsession with food, elevating it far above a life necessity to a lifestyle choice, we are all confronted with daily choices about the quality and quantity of what we eat. If we find ourselves significantly over or under weight, we should do something about it or seek help to do so. We could explore other areas of physical well-being, but these three are the top of the charts. Rest well, exercise regularly, eat responsibly. Because we are such radically integrated beings, a lack of discipline in these areas will almost inevitably impact our ability to serve God well. It may also reveal a more fundamental problem we need to address. Ill-discipline in an area of life seldom exists in isolation. Where else is that lack of discipline showing up? And if we are struggling in some of the other spiritual disciplines we have looked at, is it because we are undisciplined physically? Paul urged Timothy to train himself to be godly, noting that physical training is of some value but godliness has value in all things (1 Tim 3:7-8). He describes the perfect balance: physical training is of some value and we ought not to despise it. But its value is chiefly realized as it feeds into our concern to be godly. Godliness has value for all things, both in this life, and the life to come, when our bodies will be resurrected and gloriously renewed so that we can serve God fully, forever. ________________________________ Reformed Theological College 125 Pigdons Rd, Waurn Ponds, 3216 Ph. 5244 2955, email: admin at rtc.vic.edu.au ________________________________ Please forward this email newsletter to others who may be interested in it. If you want to be added to or removed from the mailing list, please send a brief note to admin at rtc.vic.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is exam week at the RTC. Students have their heads down, as do the faculty as they spend much time in marking. We are thankful for the semester past and for all the opportunities for learning and growth it has given us. ? Between semesters we anticipate some renovations in the library foyer area in order to create a new student lounge. Until now students have not had their own designated space, so this will be a great improvement for their informal interactions together. Students will be helping with the renovations and are hosting a Trivia evening this coming Saturday night to help raise some funds. Second Semester Distance Units The following units will be offered via distance mode during the second semester: NT302D/502D - The Early New Testament Church PE301D/501D - Introduction to Christian Ethics EM426D/626D - Church Planting These are great opportunities to undertake some theological study from the convenience of your own home. It is the first time our Church Planting subject will be offered by distance mode and it will be of enormous value to those involved in or thinking about church planting. Please contact Phillip Scheepers at pscheepers at rtc.edu.au for more information on the distance programme. Book Recommendation (by Dr Phillip Scheepers) The Third Choice - Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom, by Mark Durie (Melbourne: Deror Books, 2010), 270 pages. It is fair to say that Islam is never far from Western public consciousness at the moment. Events like the [cid:image003.jpg at 01CE675D.61AED3F0] Boston bombing and the murder of a soldier on the streets of London throw up perplexing questions about an ideology simultaneously viewed as the 'Religion of Peace' by some and as an inspiration to commit violent acts by others. Mark Durie does an excellent job in this eminently readable work to help readers who are asking questions about the nature of Islam (and specifically its relationship with non-believers) to navigate through the maze of conflicting opinions. A major part of the work is devoted to an analysis (from primary Islamic sources) of the concept of dhimmitude. Dhimmis were non-Muslims allowed to continue to practice their faith in Islamic societies on the understanding that they were subservient to Muslims and had to pay heavy extra taxes for the 'privilege' of being able to practice their faith. Durie argues that it is impossible to understand modern Islam and the demands that it directs towards the West without taking the institution of dhimmitude into account. He convincingly argues that the mindset created by dhimmitude informs Islamic attitudes toward non-Muslims to this day. The subject matter may seem a bit dry from my description but I can assure you that it is not. The book is a fascinating read and readers will walk away with an enhanced understanding of the responses of Islam to the modern world. Faculty News ? Phillip Scheepers will visit Myanmar (Burma) in July, Lord willing, to present a series of lectures at the Reformed Theological College of Myanmar in Yangon (Rangoon). He will also have discussions with members of the RTC Myanmar community to explore ways in which the two RTC's could possibly work together for the advance of the Kingdom. ? Murray Capill will be at the fourth Advance Together conference this weekend. It is being held at New Life Church (Blacktown) on Saturday 15 June, where he will also preach on Sunday morning. For more details, go to: http://www.rtc.vic.edu.au/Calendar/Events/Advance-Together ? From the end of July, Murray Capill will be away for most of the second semester taking long service leave. It is 12 years since he began teaching at the College. During his absence Dr Bill Berends will be the Acting Principal of the RTC and other staff members will also pick up some added responsibilities. Ministry Spot (by Dr Murray Capill) Humans are remarkably and profoundly integrated beings. Our physical, emotional, spiritual, social and mental well-being are all intimately related beings. While my mind, at times, wanders off somewhere else, it is not possible for my body to go somewhere without my soul. Body and soul work together, and one affects the other. Our spiritual life is affected by our physical well-being, and our physical, emotional and psychological condition affects our spirituality. That means that spiritual discipline necessarily involves physical discipline, and it implies that the pursuit of godliness has implications for the way we care for our bodies. We cannot focus on the spirit or soul and ignore the body. In the previous three articles I have explored some perspectives on various spiritual disciplines that are necessary for our growth in grace. But I want to conclude by reflecting on the relationship between spiritual discipline and physical discipline. Godliness, I propose, has something to do with how we eat, sleep, exercise and rest, and where we lack physical discipline we will most likely reap a negative impact in our spiritual life, not to mention our emotional, mental and social life. In the beginning God created us to rule in his world, enjoying and exploring, filling and governing the material world for his glory. Part of the creation we are to rule is our own body. We are to look after, feed, protect and use it for God's glory. Paul is able to build his command for husbands to love their wives on just this reality: "no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church..." (Eph 5:29). In feeding and caring for our body, we must be careful not to idolize it as our culture so readily does, turning the body into a god. An obsession with how we look, with what others think of us, or with our weight, clothes and appearance is ungodly because it causes us to focus far more on ourselves than on God. Whether we love our body or hate it, an unhealthy obsession with it takes time and energy away from serving God and glorifying him. Conversely, to neglect our bodies, failing to feed them healthily, protect them adequately, present them appropriately, exercise them regularly or sleep them properly, is also to neglect our creation mandate. Our body is as much a part of the creation as anything else. We are to be stewards of our bodies, keeping them in the best condition possible for godly service. If I'm too tired to think, or so unfit I can't sustain normal activity, then I am not stewarding the most useful resource God has given me in this world - my own body. Of course there are conditions, physical and psychological, that may make it hard for us to keep our body in good order and, in time, we will all experience physical weakness and be faced with our own mortality. The body is a tent that will one day be discarded. But we are to look after the tent as well as we can despite the afflictions that come on it in this cursed world, knowing that ultimately, God is not only redeeming our souls but our bodies also. They are of eternal worth. To the creation mandate of caring for our bodies there is the added incentive for believers to care for their bodies as temples of the Holy Spirit. Although our body is subject to decay and is outwardly wasting away, the Holy Spirit has, nonetheless, taken up residence within us. Paul argues this as an incentive for sexual purity (1 Cor 6) and it is, by implication, a motivation to use our bodies in a godly way in every arena of life. If we are not our own but belong, body and soul, to Jesus Christ, then we need to bring our bodies into submission to Christ and make them an honourable home for his Spirit. We need, then, to enact discipline in the way we steward our bodies so that we honour God with them and maximise them as the best resource possible for serving God with all our strength and for serving and loving others. In view of this, we perhaps do well to ask ourselves some fairly straight questions... First, do I get enough sleep or am I always tired? Do I give my body adequate rest, allowing it to enjoy the blessing of time off, of recreation and of relaxation? It is not ungodly to rest. In fact God built into creation cycles of day and night, work and rest. Many serious Christians become so committed to ministry and service that they do not know how to stop and they feel guilty if they do. We often measure sanctity by activity. But godliness requires sleep! Second, do I keep my body as fit as can reasonably be expected? I say 'as can reasonably be expected' because we all have different physical capacities and age and health will determine what is possible. But some level of fitness greatly aids overall well-being and therefore our ability to serve God and other people. Since the industrial revolution, the lives of most people have become far more sedentary. Exercise is not part of our life in the way it used to be, or in the way it still is for farmers, tradesmen and a few other vocations. Many of us need to compensate for the many hours we spend behind a computer or in a car, with some disciplined times of exercise. At least three times a week for at least twenty minutes, says my doctor! Thirdly, do I eat responsibly? Again, we all have different metabolisms and we cannot set a godly weight limit! But gluttony is a sin and as our culture increasingly cultivates an obsession with food, elevating it far above a life necessity to a lifestyle choice, we are all confronted with daily choices about the quality and quantity of what we eat. If we find ourselves significantly over or under weight, we should do something about it or seek help to do so. We could explore other areas of physical well-being, but these three are the top of the charts. Rest well, exercise regularly, eat responsibly. Because we are such radically integrated beings, a lack of discipline in these areas will almost inevitably impact our ability to serve God well. It may also reveal a more fundamental problem we need to address. Ill-discipline in an area of life seldom exists in isolation. Where else is that lack of discipline showing up? And if we are struggling in some of the other spiritual disciplines we have looked at, is it because we are undisciplined physically? 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Here's the link: http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/let-doctors-have-freedom-of-conscience -if-they-choose-not-to-refer-a-woman-for-an-abortion?share_id=rCggLTIWqQ &utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition Thanks, and please pass this on to others. Albert Esselbrugge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdeboer1 at bigpond.com Mon Jun 17 07:58:45 2013 From: jdeboer1 at bigpond.com (John de Boer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:58:45 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Ideas for a bucket list Message-ID: <002201ce6b30$7e477ea0$7ad67be0$@bigpond.com> Dear brothers Greetings to one and all. May I ask for your help please? Jono and I are working on a sermon series we have called "Questions Worth Asking"; the questions have come from the congregation and cover a wide range of topics, as you would expect. 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URL: From john.n.rietveld at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 23:26:17 2013 From: john.n.rietveld at gmail.com (John Rietveld) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:26:17 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Ideas for a bucket list In-Reply-To: <002201ce6b30$7e477ea0$7ad67be0$@bigpond.com> References: <002201ce6b30$7e477ea0$7ad67be0$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <002f01ce6bb2$135d85d0$3a189170$@gmail.com> Hello John; Great question, and the answer, as the kids from Sunday school all know - is Jesus. That said, the answer - apart from Paul's bucket list, and Peter's, and John's etc - has I suspect at least three key ingredients - others can no doubt find more: 1. Context. Paul's context in Asia Minor and Rome under threat of death is not the Solomon Islands in 2013, or an affluent, western cultured Australia facing an election in 2013. My context is not the same as that of my parents, nor my daughter's, nor my grandchildren, nor yet (I'm look forward to) my great grandchildren. 2. Core human issues - I like Crabb's security, significance and belonging triad; I think he drew from Glasser and a few others. Maslow's hierarchy of needs, while not my favourite, probably plays here. Core human drivers shape core human desires - hence "bucket lists" can be kingdom oriented, or self-oriented. Or both J. 3. Personal style - shaped as it is by family of origin, personal history etc. You will remember the personal time-line stuff we did years ago - you will always be you. But that's the you God has created, called, redeemed and equipped. So what should a bucket list look like? 1. What has God called you to do in your context today? 2. Where is God calling you to grow, to step into a new kingdom opportunity? 3. What is the unique contribution that you, and only you - can make? That will probably give you lots of fun, challenging, and kingdom perspectives to play with. Enjoy J Shalom JR John N. Rietveld, PhD, Certificate IV Training and Assessment, Diploma in Workplace & Business Coaching Eastside Training Community 112 Main Street Lilydale VIC 3140 PO Box 62 Lilydale VIC 3140 Phone: (03) 9739 6001 Mobile: 0409 255 172 From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of John de Boer Sent: Monday, 17 June 2013 5:59 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Ideas for a bucket list Dear brothers Greetings to one and all. May I ask for your help please? Jono and I are working on a sermon series we have called "Questions Worth Asking"; the questions have come from the congregation and cover a wide range of topics, as you would expect. I'm presently looking at the issue: "What does (should) our bucket list look like?" and wonder if anyone could give some input or point me in a helpful direction. Thanks for your consideration. God's blessings. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On behalf of the Train committee, thank you so much for taking a few moments of your day to assist us in our planning. Warm regards, Jack De Vries Ministry Development Coach Christian Reformed Churches of Australia 49 Hunter Circuit Petrie, QLD 4502 P: 07 3285 3678 M: 0437 339 008 E: mtc at crca.org.au www.ministryformation.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 39496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clinton at southbarwon.org.au Tue Jun 18 23:49:13 2013 From: clinton at southbarwon.org.au (Clinton Berends) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:49:13 +1000 Subject: [Mins] [Bulletins] Notice for this Sunday Message-ID: <003f01ce6c7e$74334800$5c99d800$@southbarwon.org.au> Hi everyone A big thanks to all those who have been promoting Buy and Brick over the last while. Could you please continue your support by putting this notice in your newsletters: Buy a Brick continues. A big thanks to all those who have partnered in church planting across the CRCA through supporting the Buy A Brick campaign. We are continuing to collect donations throughout the month of June (and even beyond) so you still have plenty of time to participate. These funds will be used to support new church plants in the CRCA through their first 3 years of life as they labour for the work of the gospel in their local areas. They assist churches in reaching new people for Christ. If you have misplaced your brochure or need more information, please contact your church pastor, or the Church Planting Taskforce, via Clinton Berends, Clinton at southbarwon.org.au 0424477487/ Clinton Berends Pastor - South Barwon CRC clinton at southbarwon.org.au 0424477487 www.southbarwon.org.au cid:image001.gif at 01CD01C6.9F5FA3D0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2777 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bulletins mailing list Bulletins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bulletins_crca.org.au From tcrc at aapt.net.au Thu Jun 20 02:52:57 2013 From: tcrc at aapt.net.au (John Westendorp) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:52:57 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Car...? Message-ID: <002a01ce6d61$45335390$cf99fab0$@aapt.net.au> Hi all..! Just a query. This Sunday Andrew Nugteren will be installed as Toowoomba's new VDM and I'll be stepping back from full-time ministry. The church here has budgeted for me to continue - at least for the present budget - on a one day a week basis. I'm looking forward to being his assistant J My problem is that over the years I have accumulated some funds in my expense account (a good problem to have) and the car I have does need replacing as it's beginning to cost in repairs etc. My query: years ago the denomination had a "fleet discount" but I don't recall with whom and how it works or even whether that is still operating. Does anyone know if that still operates and how it functions? Thanx John W Westy's Weekly Blog Labels. and what defines you I was quite shocked this week to look at the list of diagnosable mental conditions and disorders. The American Psychiatric Association has periodically released a manual of mental disorders. A couple of weeks ago they put out their fifth such list (DSM-5). As I read through the list there are many well-recognised human disorders that we are all familiar with: from Anorexia to Depression and from Autism to Paranoia. But what shocked me was first of all how long the list of "abnormalities" is. There are literally hundreds of personality disorders. Read more.! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 530 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcrc at aapt.net.au Fri Jun 21 01:41:36 2013 From: tcrc at aapt.net.au (John Westendorp) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:41:36 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Car...? In-Reply-To: <51C2742D.8070404@gmail.com> References: <002a01ce6d61$45335390$cf99fab0$@aapt.net.au> <51C2742D.8070404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701ce6e20$77f02a00$67d07e00$@aapt.net.au> Hi all Thank you for the many responses I received. Quite a number of you (like Gerald, below) pointed me to www.southgatefleet.com.au I've been in touch with their Andrew Rogers and found him most helpful. Blessings for this coming weekend and Lord's Day. Shalom John Westy's Weekly Blog Forgiveness - giving others power over you Forgiveness is a huge problem for all of us. One important outworking of the gospel is that by faith in Jesus we are forgiven all our sins. That forgiveness is total. All our sins, past, present and future, were dealt with by Jesus on the cross. That is a liberating and glorious reality. Why then is forgiveness such a huge problem for Christians? Read more.! From: Gerald Vanderkolk [mailto:vanderkolkgerald at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 1:17 PM To: jwestendorp at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Car...? Hello John, I thought it was the following. Just from memory. Sorry if it is bum lead. Gerald http://www.southgatefleet.com.au/ On 20/06/2013 12:52 PM, John Westendorp wrote: Hi all..! Just a query. This Sunday Andrew Nugteren will be installed as Toowoomba's new VDM and I'll be stepping back from full-time ministry. The church here has budgeted for me to continue - at least for the present budget - on a one day a week basis. I'm looking forward to being his assistant J My problem is that over the years I have accumulated some funds in my expense account (a good problem to have) and the car I have does need replacing as it's beginning to cost in repairs etc. My query: years ago the denomination had a "fleet discount" but I don't recall with whom and how it works or even whether that is still operating. Does anyone know if that still operates and how it functions? Thanx John W Westy's Weekly Blog Labels. and what defines you I was quite shocked this week to look at the list of diagnosable mental conditions and disorders. The American Psychiatric Association has periodically released a manual of mental disorders. A couple of weeks ago they put out their fifth such list (DSM-5). As I read through the list there are many well-recognised human disorders that we are all familiar with: from Anorexia to Depression and from Autism to Paranoia. But what shocked me was first of all how long the list of "abnormalities" is. There are literally hundreds of personality disorders. Read more.! _______________________________________________ Mins mailing list Mins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/mins_crca.org.au -- Gerald Vanderkolk 15 Ferntree Rd, Engadine, 2233 Ph. 02 95480068 Mob.0416 023020 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 530 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pabetz at crca.org.au Fri Jun 21 13:50:31 2013 From: pabetz at crca.org.au (Peter Abetz) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:50:31 +0800 Subject: [Mins] Car...? In-Reply-To: <002a01ce6d61$45335390$cf99fab0$@aapt.net.au> References: <002a01ce6d61$45335390$cf99fab0$@aapt.net.au> Message-ID: <008d01ce6e86$4cd7d7d0$e6878770$@org.au> Hi John, I can't quite recall how we set it up. I think Rob vander Noord had a letter for us saying that we operated a fleet of 50 cars (the number of churches we had). But the car market has become so competitive, that the discount that you can get by bargaining hard when they have a sale on, is often better than fleet discount. The different manufacturers used to have differing discounts on the various models. The Australian made Holdens and Falcons had the biggest discount, but the imported cars it was usually only 5 %. Regards, Peter From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of John Westendorp Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 10:53 AM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Car...? Hi all..! Just a query. This Sunday Andrew Nugteren will be installed as Toowoomba's new VDM and I'll be stepping back from full-time ministry. The church here has budgeted for me to continue - at least for the present budget - on a one day a week basis. I'm looking forward to being his assistant J My problem is that over the years I have accumulated some funds in my expense account (a good problem to have) and the car I have does need replacing as it's beginning to cost in repairs etc. My query: years ago the denomination had a "fleet discount" but I don't recall with whom and how it works or even whether that is still operating. Does anyone know if that still operates and how it functions? Thanx John W Westy's Weekly Blog Labels. and what defines you I was quite shocked this week to look at the list of diagnosable mental conditions and disorders. The American Psychiatric Association has periodically released a manual of mental disorders. A couple of weeks ago they put out their fifth such list (DSM-5). As I read through the list there are many well-recognised human disorders that we are all familiar with: from Anorexia to Depression and from Autism to Paranoia. But what shocked me was first of all how long the list of "abnormalities" is. There are literally hundreds of personality disorders. Read more.! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.gif Type: image/gif Size: 530 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ministryformation at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 03:42:07 2013 From: ministryformation at gmail.com (Jack De Vries) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:42:07 +1000 Subject: [Mins] SECOND NOTICE: What do you like to see happen? Message-ID: <001201ce708c$ced94180$6c8bc480$@gmail.com> Dear ministerial colleagues, THANK YOU to the 15 of you who already filled out the Recharge Survey. If you are one of those who have not yet filled out the survey -- READ ON: In follow up to the past Recharge conference and in planning for Recharge 2014, the CRC Ministry Conference for Pastors, Ministry Workers and Spouses, we value your input. Could you please take just a couple minutes and answer a few questions to help us in planning for Recharge 2014? You can access the survey here . On behalf of the Train committee, thank you so much for taking a few moments of your day to assist us in our planning. Warm regards, Jack De Vries Ministry Development Coach Christian Reformed Churches of Australia 49 Hunter Circuit Petrie, QLD 4502 P: 07 3285 3678 M: 0437 339 008 E: mtc at crca.org.au www.ministryformation.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you please take just a couple minutes and answer a few questions to help us in planning for Recharge 2014? You can access the survey here . On behalf of the Train committee, thank you so much for taking a few moments of your day to assist us in our planning. Warm regards, Jack De Vries Ministry Development Coach Christian Reformed Churches of Australia 49 Hunter Circuit Petrie, QLD 4502 P: 07 3285 3678 M: 0437 339 008 E: mtc at crca.org.au www.ministryformation.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hi all, June Catalyst is out now. Download your copy here. Remember: you can circulate this link (above) through your email networks, and you can print copies off for those who don't have access to a computer or the internet. Grace and peace, Dave Groenenboom e:Catalyst at crca.org.au Blog: http://crcacatalyst.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/crcacatalyst Find us also on FaceBook catalyst noun - stimulus, stimulation, spark, spur, incitement, impetus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pastedGraphic.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 133957 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For those interested in following this ministry and supporting it in prayer, you will find some encouraging information to assist your prayer support. Thank you to those bulletin editors who have been pointing people to the site and keeping this work before you readers. For the latest news just follow this link: http://wheatbeltchristianfellowship.org/ Blessings in Christ Geoff van Schie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bulletins mailing list Bulletins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bulletins_crca.org.au