From mins at crca.org.au Wed May 1 00:05:47 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:05:47 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is not really happening?.... On Wednesday, May 1, 2013, wrote: > What if Life Was Complex? > **** > > Article by Carl Trueman April 2013*** > * > > **[image: http://72.47.212.95/media/carl.jpg]****** > > This month, I thought I would use this column to indulge in a little > thought experiment. What, I wonder, if the conservative evangelical church > world came to be dominated by a symbiotic network of high profile and > charismatic leaders (think more Weber than Wimber), media organisations, > and big conferences? What if leadership, doctrine, and policy were no > longer rooted in the primacy of biblical polity and the local church? What > if, in other words, all of this became a function of an Evangelical > Industrial Complex?**** > > ** ** > > It is an important question. It is probably a year or so since I raised > the question of the impact of celebrity on evangelicalism. As I was told > then, celebrity either does not exist in the evangelical subculture or is > of no real importance there. Thus, I suspect the Evangelical Industrial > Complex either does not exist or exerts no influence; but it is > entertaining to imagine what would the signs be that it was a real issue > (which, I am sure you will agree, it is not).**** > > ** ** > > The aesthetics of success would subtly and imperceptibly supplant the > principles of faithfulness or would indeed come to be identified with the > same. The rhetoric of faithfulness would be retained, but the substance > would be less and less important. Thus, the key leaders would be the men at > the big churches or with the ability to pack a stadium or to handle media > with slick sophistication. Fruitfulness and faithfulness would be > rhetorically opposed in a way that would be ridiculous if we were talking > marriage, but which somehow seems plausible in a church context. **** > > ** ** > > The key books on pastoral ministry would be written by men who either have > no real experience of anything approaching normal pastoral ministry or have > not had such for decades. Students at seminaries would rarely, if ever, > name their own pastors as the most influential preachers in their lives. > Multi-site video churches would spring up, as the desire to be connected to > success and to the Top Men, rather than to serve as part a local body, > would become a significant factor in church life. The pastors held up as > models of ministry would have little personal contact with most people in > their churches. Of course, the Complex may make space for criticism of this > type of church and churchmanship; but it will not do anything about it, > thus making the matter yet one more area where we can - must -- all agree > to differ.**** > > ** ** > > Leaders would gradually and sometimes self-consciously become brands. The > instruments of fostering that intimacy of strangers which is such a part of > celebrity culture - for example, the faux-chumminess of all those tweeted > exchanges and retweets, lives lived as soap operas mediated by the internet > - would feed smoothly, humbly, and imperceptibly into the building of one's > brand. Another sign of this branding would be that publishers and > conferences would recruit writers and speakers not on the basis of > competence but of market appeal. Some writers would thus write the same > book over and over again (using different titles, of course). Some topics > would not be considered sufficiently or definitively addressed until the > Complex's own brand names had had their say. Few, if any, thoughts or > sermons of the brand names would pass unpublished.**** > > ** ** > > Overall control of the evangelical world would in practice lie in the > hands of select groups of unelected leaders, captains of industry, > answerable to nobody but themselves and with no transparent accountability > beyond the constituency's ability to give or withhold funds. **** > > As a corollary of this, ordained office would be of little significance in > the world of the Evangelical Industrial Complex. Character, personal > orthodoxy, a transparent, stable, loving family life embedded in a > particular congregation, prioritisation of hard work in the local church > setting (evidenced by far more Sundays serving in your home church than > anywhere else), ability to teach the local church, accountability to a > local session, elder board or presbytery - these things would be at a > discount. One might even come across key leaders who had left their local > calling precisely to further their 'ministries.' Paul's list of elder > qualifications in the Pastorals would be of secondary interest compared to > the ability to handle communications media, to attend board meetings, to > attract a crowd, to sell a title, and to network. And the average age of > the key movers and shakers would slowly but surely decrease.**** > > ** ** > > Criticism would be effectively stymied. Most critics would lack the > stature to present a threat and could thus be safely ignored. Those who > carried influence could be internalized by being offered a cool speaking > gig or a place at the table or inside the tent; they might even be allowed > to voice their criticisms there - but only as members of the club, in which > role they would demonstrate the Complex's openness to discussion. The fear > of missing a true movement of God would ultimately keep them from actually > doing anything to upset the PR strategy. Finally, those who could not be > ignored or internalized could be rendered irrelevant through linguistic > demonization: they would be decried as 'haters', 'ivory tower > academicians', 'ranters' and 'envious.'**** > > ** ** > > Along with this, a more positive rhetoric would also be developed to > pre-empt criticism. A term like 'gospel centered,' for example, could > easily be turned from a helpful description of a ministry into a kind of > mantric shibboleth, implicitly ruling as imbalanced, malicious, or > unbiblical any criticism of those who own its copyright. 'Confessional > orthodoxy' would be wrested from its historic ecclesiastical context, with > its connotations of elaborate theological formulation connected to clear > polity built upon a Pauline view of the church and her officers. Instead, > it would come to be whatever the careful negotiation between the captains > of the industry, the media moguls, and the marketplace would determine it > to be. **** > > ** ** > > Grand visions always create large overhead costs. Money would therefore > play a larger and larger role in who is in and who is out, who gets to > speak and to write and, indeed, what therefore comes to be spoken and to be > written. Further, production of commodities is never simply a response to > market need but is often creative of the same. After all, nobody needed a > smartphone or an iPod until someone invented one. Thus, the captains of the > industry, the big conferences, and the key media outlets would come > increasingly to set the churches' agenda. Supply would shape demand.**** > > ** ** > > Creation of new markets would therefore play a large part in determining > what issues are addressed and which are ignored. For example, everyday > problems would be subject to mystification so as to place them beyond the > competence of the minister and elders and deacons (and thus beyond the > church as Paul envisaged it) and therefore to require specialized training > and help. And guess who is there to provide the quasi-Gnostic knowledge > necessary? It can be purchased, of course, from the members of the > Evangelical Industrial Complex. And this would in turn feed into further > marginalization of biblical polity and ordained office. **** > > ** ** > > It is a bleak and disturbing scenario. One can only be glad that it is not > really happening.**** > > ** ** > > *Dr. Carl Trueman is the Paul Woolley Professor of Church History at > Westminster Theological Seminary and the pastor of Cornerstone Orthodox > Presbyterian Church in Ambler, PA.***** > > ** ** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2051 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mins at crca.org.au Wed May 1 06:07:57 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 16:07:57 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm! 1. I'm not sure I appreciate getting a forwarded blog on the CRCA network without any indication as to who sent it. "mins-bounces" tells me exactly nothing. Please have the courage of your convictions to add your name. 2. Apparently Carl forgot one "term of endearment" in the following paragraph: "Finally, those who could not be ignored or internalized could be rendered irrelevant through linguistic demonization: they would be decried as 'haters', 'ivory tower academicians', 'ranters' and 'envious.'" He should have added "grumpy" to the list. J No offence meant to the anonymous forwarder. Shalom John Westendorp Westy's Weekly Blog Our electronic toys It was interesting listening to the kids' responses in a children's segment during morning worship last Sunday. I had asked them what kind of activities they had done the day before. The first four reactions were perhaps telling. "I played on my IPod." "I watched television." "I played computer games." "I watched a movie." Read more.! From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 8:56 AM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again What if Life Was Complex? Article by Carl Trueman April 2013 http://72.47.212.95/media/carl.jpg This month, I thought I would use this column to indulge in a little thought experiment. What, I wonder, if the conservative evangelical church world came to be dominated by a symbiotic network of high profile and charismatic leaders (think more Weber than Wimber), media organisations, and big conferences? What if leadership, doctrine, and policy were no longer rooted in the primacy of biblical polity and the local church? 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From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 4:08 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again Hmmm! 1. I'm not sure I appreciate getting a forwarded blog on the CRCA network without any indication as to who sent it. "mins-bounces" tells me exactly nothing. Please have the courage of your convictions to add your name. 2. Apparently Carl forgot one "term of endearment" in the following paragraph: "Finally, those who could not be ignored or internalized could be rendered irrelevant through linguistic demonization: they would be decried as 'haters', 'ivory tower academicians', 'ranters' and 'envious.'" He should have added "grumpy" to the list. J No offence meant to the anonymous forwarder. Shalom John Westendorp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2051 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mins at crca.org.au Wed May 1 06:55:35 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:55:35 +0800 Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm with John. Formatting looks a bit familiar, tho... Grace and peace, Dave Groenenboom Gateway Community Church A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 P: 0418 383 055 E: dgroenenboom at crca.org.au W: www.gatewaycc.com.au On 01/05/2013, at 2:07 PM, mins at crca.org.au wrote: > Hmmm! > > 1. I?m not sure I appreciate getting a forwarded blog on the CRCA network without any indication as to who sent it. ?mins-bounces? tells me exactly nothing. Please have the courage of your convictions to add your name. > > > 2. Apparently Carl forgot one ?term of endearment? in the following paragraph:?Finally, those who could not be ignored or internalized could be rendered irrelevant through linguistic demonization: they would be decried as 'haters', 'ivory tower academicians', 'ranters' and 'envious.'? He should have added ?grumpy? to the list. J > > No offence meant to the anonymous forwarder. > > Shalom > > John Westendorp > > > > Westy?s Weekly Blog > Our electronic toys > It was interesting listening to the kids? responses in a children?s segment during morning worship last Sunday. I had asked them what kind of activities they had done the day before. The first four reactions were perhaps telling. ?I played on my IPod.? ?I watched television.? ?I played computer games.? ?I watched a movie.? > Read more?! > > From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au > Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 8:56 AM > To: mins at crca.org.au > Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again > > What if Life Was Complex? > Article by Carl Trueman April 2013 > > This month, I thought I would use this column to indulge in a little thought experiment. What, I wonder, if the conservative evangelical church world came to be dominated by a symbiotic network of high profile and charismatic leaders (think more Weber than Wimber), media organisations, and big conferences? What if leadership, doctrine, and policy were no longer rooted in the primacy of biblical polity and the local church? What if, in other words, all of this became a function of an Evangelical Industrial Complex? > > _______________________________________________ > Mins mailing list > Mins at crca.org.au > To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/mins_crca.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3096 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mins at crca.org.au Wed May 1 06:56:15 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 16:56:15 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No Peter... didn't guess it at all... I had another culprit in mind to whom I just mentally apologised J John From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 4:36 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again Oops. Apparently the system didn't show my name as the guilty sender!! Sorry about that, chaps. I wasn't trying to be a-nonnie-mouse. Peter Gadsby Canberra (But you'd guessed that, hadn't you??) From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 4:08 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again Hmmm! 1. I'm not sure I appreciate getting a forwarded blog on the CRCA network without any indication as to who sent it. "mins-bounces" tells me exactly nothing. Please have the courage of your convictions to add your name. 2. Apparently Carl forgot one "term of endearment" in the following paragraph: "Finally, those who could not be ignored or internalized could be rendered irrelevant through linguistic demonization: they would be decried as 'haters', 'ivory tower academicians', 'ranters' and 'envious.'" He should have added "grumpy" to the list. J No offence meant to the anonymous forwarder. Shalom John Westendorp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2051 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mins at crca.org.au Wed May 1 07:00:29 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 19:00:29 +1200 Subject: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apology accepted? (-: John From: Organization: CRCA - Toowoomba Reply-To: Date: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 6:56 PM To: Subject: Re: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again No Peter... didn?t guess it at all... I had another culprit in mind to whom I just mentally apologised J John From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 4:36 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again Oops. Apparently the system didn?t show my name as the guilty sender!! Sorry about that, chaps. I wasn?t trying to be a-nonnie-mouse. Peter Gadsby Canberra (But you?d guessed that, hadn?t you??) From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 4:08 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Grumpy Carl strikes again Hmmm! 1. I?m not sure I appreciate getting a forwarded blog on the CRCA network without any indication as to who sent it. ?mins-bounces? tells me exactly nothing. Please have the courage of your convictions to add your name. 2. Apparently Carl forgot one ?term of endearment? in the following paragraph: ?Finally, those who could not be ignored or internalized could be rendered irrelevant through linguistic demonization: they would be decried as 'haters', 'ivory tower academicians', 'ranters' and 'envious.'? He should have added ?grumpy? to the list. J No offence meant to the anonymous forwarder. Shalom John Westendorp _______________________________________________ Mins mailing list Mins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/mins_crca.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3096 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mins at crca.org.au Sat May 4 03:27:13 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 11:27:13 +0800 Subject: [Mins] Recharge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like you're expecting the worst at the conference, Dave. "someone might be able to give me a life" Regards, Reinier J From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013 10:30 AM To: CRCA Ministers Subject: [Mins] Recharge Hi friends, Is there anyone travelling from Western Sydney on Monday who might be able to pick up two guitars from St Marys and bring them to Collaroy? Then, perhaps take them back on Thursday? Also, I'm hoping someone might be able to give me a life from Collaroy to St Marys on the Thursday after Recharge has concluded. Please let me know if you can help - thanks heaps. Grace and peace, Dave Groenenboom Gateway Community Church A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 P: 0418 383 055 E: dgroenenboom @crca.org.au W: www.gatewaycc.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3096 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mins at crca.org.au Sat May 4 03:41:43 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 13:41:43 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Recharge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can anyone help Dave? He needs to get a life. Peter G Canberra From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013 1:27 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Recharge Sounds like you're expecting the worst at the conference, Dave. "someone might be able to give me a life" Regards, Reinier J From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013 10:30 AM To: CRCA Ministers Subject: [Mins] Recharge Hi friends, Is there anyone travelling from Western Sydney on Monday who might be able to pick up two guitars from St Marys and bring them to Collaroy? Then, perhaps take them back on Thursday? Also, I'm hoping someone might be able to give me a life from Collaroy to St Marys on the Thursday after Recharge has concluded. Please let me know if you can help - thanks heaps. Grace and peace, Dave Groenenboom Gateway Community Church A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 P: 0418 383 055 E: dgroenenboom @crca.org.au W: www.gatewaycc.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 04/05/2013, at 10:29, mins at crca.org.au wrote: > Hi friends, > > Is there anyone travelling from Western Sydney on Monday who might be able to pick up two guitars from St Marys and bring them to Collaroy? > > Then, perhaps take them back on Thursday? > > Also, I'm hoping someone might be able to give me a life from Collaroy to St Marys on the Thursday after Recharge has concluded. > > Please let me know if you can help - thanks heaps. > > Grace and peace, > > Dave Groenenboom > Gateway Community Church > A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 > P: 0418 383 055 > E: dgroenenboom at crca.org.au > W: www.gatewaycc.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mins mailing list > Mins at crca.org.au > To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/mins_crca.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That should be 'lift' ...give me a lift. > > Thanks Reinier for the pickup. > > On the road... > > On 04/05/2013, at 10:29, mins at crca.org.au wrote: > >> Hi friends, >> >> Is there anyone travelling from Western Sydney on Monday who might be able to pick up two guitars from St Marys and bring them to Collaroy? >> >> Then, perhaps take them back on Thursday? >> >> Also, I'm hoping someone might be able to give me a life from Collaroy to St Marys on the Thursday after Recharge has concluded. >> >> Please let me know if you can help - thanks heaps. >> >> Grace and peace, >> >> Dave Groenenboom >> Gateway Community Church >> A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 >> P: 0418 383 055 >> E: dgroenenboom at crca.org.au >> W: www.gatewaycc.com.au >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mins mailing list >> Mins at crca.org.au >> To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/mins_crca.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mins at crca.org.au Sat May 4 08:24:13 2013 From: mins at crca.org.au (mins at crca.org.au) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 18:24:13 +1000 Subject: [Mins] Recharge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, If you need a lift back to St Marys after the Recharge -- and no one else can take you, you can count on me to bring you there. No problems. Glad to give you a LIFT! You might just have to hang around while I "close up shop"! Jack De Vries From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of mins at crca.org.au Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013 3:18 PM To: mins at crca.org.au Subject: Re: [Mins] Recharge OK I admit it. I do need a life. Now, if someone can help me with that lift, the life I do have will be a little easier... Dave Groenenboom Gateway Community Church A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 P: 0418 383 055 E: dgroenenboom at crca.org.au W: www.gatewaycc.com.au Paper: http://crcacatalyst.com On 04/05/2013, at 12:12, David Groenenboom wrote: Er... That should be 'lift' ...give me a lift. Thanks Reinier for the pickup. On the road... On 04/05/2013, at 10:29, mins at crca.org.au wrote: Hi friends, Is there anyone travelling from Western Sydney on Monday who might be able to pick up two guitars from St Marys and bring them to Collaroy? Then, perhaps take them back on Thursday? Also, I'm hoping someone might be able to give me a life from Collaroy to St Marys on the Thursday after Recharge has concluded. Please let me know if you can help - thanks heaps. 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You can read it here: http://crcacatalyst.com/2013/05/10/how-to-stay-up-to-date-with-catalyst/ Grace and peace, Dave Groenenboom Gateway Community Church A: 63 Spencer Street, Cockburn Central, WA, 6164 P: 0418 383 055 E: dgroenenboom at crca.org.au W: www.gatewaycc.com.au Paper: http://crcacatalyst.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bulletins mailing list Bulletins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bulletins_crca.org.au From djgroenenboom at gmail.com Sat May 11 01:30:23 2013 From: djgroenenboom at gmail.com (CRCA Catalyst) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:30:23 +0800 Subject: [Mins] [Bulletins] We want to be Jesus to each person who comes Message-ID: <08083F0D-10ED-48FA-B17F-83D027844150@gmail.com> Hi everyone, This is a reprint article from our last issue. It tells such a great story we wanted to send it out again! You can read it here: http://crcacatalyst.com/2013/05/11/we-want-to-be-jesus-to-each-person-who-comes/ If you want to stay up to date with Catalyst, you can read how to do that here: http://crcacatalyst.com/2013/05/10/how-to-stay-up-to-date-with-catalyst/ Have a terrific weekend, and be a blessing to your Mum and all the other Mums around you! Grace and peace, Dave Groenenboom e:Catalyst at crca.org.au Blog: http://crcacatalyst.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/crcacatalyst Find us also on FaceBook catalyst noun - stimulus, stimulation, spark, spur, incitement, impetus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pastedGraphic.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 133957 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <00d301ce5060$7c2b5460$77b3fea9@KitchenPC> Dear CRCA Friends in Victoria - I would appreciate it if you could please insert the attached notice in your church bulletins asap, so that the Grey Nomads and those about to travel overseas to warmer climates have advanced notice of our date change for the Ladies Fellowship Day in October. I have left it in a format which you can change around if necessary, as long as the details of the information don't change. Thank you for your co-operation. :-) Yours in Christ, Janice Eshuis Mrs Janice Eshuis Secretary CRCWA (Christian Reformed Church Women of Australia) 27 Buln Buln Road Drouin 3818 Vic Ph 5625 3075 Mob 0407 554 080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pray for the believers from Ambaronda village in Rajasthan State where villagers have been opposing prayer meetings in their village. 2. Pray for all these people who have been receptive to the GOSPEL that may make a public faith commitment to Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord and be willing to receive baptism. 3. There are some Hindu extremist groups in Madhya Pradesh State. They are seeking to prevent the spreading of Gospel in the region; because many folk are showing an interest in the Gospel and attend our prayer/worship groups every month. 4. Pray for the CEO who must deal with government red tape. The Government controls mission work through checks made by police. The CEO has had to attend the police station more than 10 times in the past few months. Pray that such harassment by police and other government departments will not intimidate the GOSPEL team. 5. 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(The CRCA Super Fund is a sub-plan of the Lifetime Superannuation Fund). The reason for this friendly takeover was that Plan B realised that in an ever more competitive market, the cost of operating a relatively small business becomes more difficult, and made its fees increasingly less competitive. In the second half of 2013 all CRCA Super accounts will be transferred over to IOOF's product known as Spectrum Super, which is one of the largest corporate super funds used by employers, including names like Bendigo Bank Staff, The Perth Mint, Ausdrill, BGC, Blackmores and Crown Equipment. IOOF has offices in every capital city of Australia with dedicated Relationship Managers able to assist members. There are two big benefits to you: 1. The fees drawn from your account each year will be significantly less 2. You will have a much larger range of investment options. You can still chose to simply leave your funds in the default account setting (very similar to the current default setting), or you can choose from a wide range of investment options (over 400!). You will be able to invest in ready made portfolios (much like the various Plan B options), or self selected managed funds, or you can choose to virtually manage your own investment portfolio via their website, where you can allocate your funds to buy /sell ASX300 shares or you can opt for term deposits. When the change occurs you will be notified in writing and receive information about all your options, or you can visit www.spectrumsuper.com.au for further details. As the church has an obligation to provide for ministers and their families in the event of serious illness or death, the current default Death and Total Permanent Disability (TPD) insurance levels will be carried over to your new Spectrum Account. If you wish to increase your life and TPD insurance within Spectrum Super you can do so, but (as previously) you can not go below the minimum with out the approval of the denominational committee responsible for looking after superannuation issues. The purpose of this letter is just to keep you informed as to what is happening with your current superannuation account. Any new employee /minister will automatically be joining Spectrum Super and not Plan B's Lifetime Superannuation Fund. With kind regards Peter (Member of the CRCA Super Policy Committee) Rev Peter Abetz MLA (Associate Pastor) 67 Froudist Circle Southern River 6110 Phone: Home +61 (0)8 9456 2712 Electorate Office: +61 (0)8 9256 4900 Mobile: 0409 076 155 E-mail: pabetz at crca.org.au Grace Christian Reformed Church Current place of worship: Seveth Day Adventist Church Wendling Rd North Beach WA 6020 Worship times: Sundays: 8:30 am & 10.30 am Website: www.gracecrc.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My Dad acknowledged involvement with the Masons - but only through their mutual health fund. The upshot of the discussion was that my Father was convicted that he was wrong in staying with them as he was indirectly supporting the Masonic Lodge. You are now telling his son that his super will now be handled by the Independent Order of Odd Fellows - a Masonic order. I'm going to have to think about that and maybe others will too. Do we support the Masons just for some financial gain? Good question, or what? Shalom John Westendorp Westy's Weekly Blog Keep it to yourself This past week I was following a discussion on the Internet about the growth of atheism in Australia. Apparently, according to figures from the latest census, the number of professing atheists in Australia has grown. Our local newspaper triggered the debate by asking whether there was still a future for religion. Read more.! From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Abetz Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:15 AM To: crca at crca.org.au Cc: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Important message for ministers and employees regarding superannuation Dear CRCA Super Fund Members, Back in April, you would have received a letter from Plan B, advising that IOOF had taken over the business of Plan B, which means that IOOF (or more specifically IOOF Investment Management Limited - abbreviated to IIML) is now the trustee for the Lifetime Superannuation Fund - CRCA Employer Super Fund. (The CRCA Super Fund is a sub-plan of the Lifetime Superannuation Fund). The reason for this friendly takeover was that Plan B realised that in an ever more competitive market, the cost of operating a relatively small business becomes more difficult, and made its fees increasingly less competitive. In the second half of 2013 all CRCA Super accounts will be transferred over to IOOF's product known as Spectrum Super, which is one of the largest corporate super funds used by employers, including names like Bendigo Bank Staff, The Perth Mint, Ausdrill, BGC, Blackmores and Crown Equipment. IOOF has offices in every capital city of Australia with dedicated Relationship Managers able to assist members. There are two big benefits to you: 1. The fees drawn from your account each year will be significantly less 2. You will have a much larger range of investment options. You can still chose to simply leave your funds in the default account setting (very similar to the current default setting), or you can choose from a wide range of investment options (over 400!). You will be able to invest in ready made portfolios (much like the various Plan B options), or self selected managed funds, or you can choose to virtually manage your own investment portfolio via their website, where you can allocate your funds to buy /sell ASX300 shares or you can opt for term deposits. When the change occurs you will be notified in writing and receive information about all your options, or you can visit www.spectrumsuper.comau for further details. As the church has an obligation to provide for ministers and their families in the event of serious illness or death, the current default Death and Total Permanent Disability (TPD) insurance levels will be carried over to your new Spectrum Account. If you wish to increase your life and TPD insurance within Spectrum Super you can do so, but (as previously) you can not go below the minimum with out the approval of the denominational committee responsible for looking after superannuation issues. The purpose of this letter is just to keep you informed as to what is happening with your current superannuation account. Any new employee /minister will automatically be joining Spectrum Super and not Plan B's Lifetime Superannuation Fund. With kind regards Peter (Member of the CRCA Super Policy Committee) Rev Peter Abetz MLA (Associate Pastor) 67 Froudist Circle Southern River 6110 Phone: Home +61 (0)8 9456 2712 Electorate Office: +61 (0)8 9256 4900 Mobile: 0409 076 155 E-mail: pabetz at crca.org.au Grace Christian Reformed Church Current place of worship: Seveth Day Adventist Church Wendling Rd North Beach WA 6020 Worship times: Sundays: 8:30 am & 10.30 am Website: www.gracecrc.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adrian From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of John Westendorp Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 7:50 AM To: 'Peter Abetz'; crca at crca.org.au Cc: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] [SPAM] RE: Important message for ministers and employees regarding superannuation Wow, Peter, that brings back memories for me. When we first came to Australia my parents took out health insurance with IOOF. We were living in Bonnie Doon in central Victoria at the time. Six years later the family moved to Dandenong. I recall a home visit the family had from the elders of the church where the question of Masonic Lodge membership and other secret societies came up. It was a real issue in those days as many Reformies left the Presbyterian Church over that issue and liberalism. My Dad acknowledged involvement with the Masons - but only through their mutual health fund. The upshot of the discussion was that my Father was convicted that he was wrong in staying with them as he was indirectly supporting the Masonic Lodge. You are now telling his son that his super will now be handled by the Independent Order of Odd Fellows - a Masonic order. I'm going to have to think about that and maybe others will too. Do we support the Masons just for some financial gain? Good question, or what? Shalom John Westendorp Westy's Weekly Blog Keep it to yourself This past week I was following a discussion on the Internet about the growth of atheism in Australia. Apparently, according to figures from the latest census, the number of professing atheists in Australia has grown. Our local newspaper triggered the debate by asking whether there was still a future for religion. Read more .! From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Abetz Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:15 AM To: crca at crca.org.au Cc: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Important message for ministers and employees regarding superannuation Dear CRCA Super Fund Members, Back in April, you would have received a letter from Plan B, advising that IOOF had taken over the business of Plan B, which means that IOOF (or more specifically IOOF Investment Management Limited - abbreviated to IIML) is now the trustee for the Lifetime Superannuation Fund - CRCA Employer Super Fund. (The CRCA Super Fund is a sub-plan of the Lifetime Superannuation Fund). The reason for this friendly takeover was that Plan B realised that in an ever more competitive market, the cost of operating a relatively small business becomes more difficult, and made its fees increasingly less competitive. In the second half of 2013 all CRCA Super accounts will be transferred over to IOOF's product known as Spectrum Super, which is one of the largest corporate super funds used by employers, including names like Bendigo Bank Staff, The Perth Mint, Ausdrill, BGC, Blackmores and Crown Equipment. IOOF has offices in every capital city of Australia with dedicated Relationship Managers able to assist members. There are two big benefits to you: 1. The fees drawn from your account each year will be significantly less 2. You will have a much larger range of investment options. You can still chose to simply leave your funds in the default account setting (very similar to the current default setting), or you can choose from a wide range of investment options (over 400!). You will be able to invest in ready made portfolios (much like the various Plan B options), or self selected managed funds, or you can choose to virtually manage your own investment portfolio via their website, where you can allocate your funds to buy /sell ASX300 shares or you can opt for term deposits. When the change occurs you will be notified in writing and receive information about all your options, or you can visit www.spectrumsuper.comau for further details. As the church has an obligation to provide for ministers and their families in the event of serious illness or death, the current default Death and Total Permanent Disability (TPD) insurance levels will be carried over to your new Spectrum Account. If you wish to increase your life and TPD insurance within Spectrum Super you can do so, but (as previously) you can not go below the minimum with out the approval of the denominational committee responsible for looking after superannuation issues. The purpose of this letter is just to keep you informed as to what is happening with your current superannuation account. Any new employee /minister will automatically be joining Spectrum Super and not Plan B's Lifetime Superannuation Fund. With kind regards Peter (Member of the CRCA Super Policy Committee) Rev Peter Abetz MLA (Associate Pastor) 67 Froudist Circle Southern River 6110 Phone: Home +61 (0)8 9456 2712 Electorate Office: +61 (0)8 9256 4900 Mobile: 0409 076 155 E-mail: pabetz at crca.org.au Grace Christian Reformed Church Current place of worship: Seveth Day Adventist Church Wendling Rd North Beach WA 6020 Worship times: Sundays: 8:30 am & 10.30 am Website: www.gracecrc.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, a number of issues are either missing or are so tightly bound in a file that they cannot be scanned If anyone has any of the following issues available and would be willing to make them available, please contact me on the above email address 1-4 29-31 33-35 37-39 42-43 50 52 58 72 Many thanks Colin _______________________________________________ Bulletins mailing list Bulletins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bulletins_crca.org.au From gvschie at ozemail.com.au Sat May 25 08:32:35 2013 From: gvschie at ozemail.com.au (Geoff van Schie) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 16:32:35 +0800 Subject: [Mins] [Bulletins] FW: Latest Wheatbelt Christian Fellowship news update Message-ID: <000701ce5922$6882dd50$398897f0$@com.au> From: Geoff van Schie [mailto:gvschie at ozemail.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2013 4:31 PM To: 'Geoff van Schie' Subject: Latest Wheatbelt Christian Fellowship news update Hi everyone, For those interested in the latest news re the outreach mission of the CRCD Wheatbelt Christian Fellowship, just follow the link below. 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I am glad to be able to report that this connection has been broken when IOOF was demutualised as the following email from the Corporate Affairs Manager makes clear: Hi Peter I can confirm that IOOF Holdings Limited does not currently have, nor has it had, a masonic influence within its management since the mid to late 1980s. Following the appointment of the first non-associated CEO to the organisation in 1982, IOOF looked to revitalise itself beyond its origins as a Mutual Society in 1846 to become a provider of savings, superannuation and retirement services. (Blainey G. (1991) Odd Fellows - A History of IOOF Australia, Allen & Unwin). Like other large Australian Mutuals and Friendly Societies, IOOF demutualised in 2002 and listed on the Australian Securities Exchange in 2003. In addition to the current IOOF management's independence from its historic connections, as a listed entity, it is considered good corporate governance practice to have an independent Chairperson and a majority of independent Directors. Five of IOOF's six Directors (including the Chairman) are considered independent of management. I hope this addresses any concerns your client may have. I would be happy to take them through IOOF's Leadership Group credentials if this would assist. Regards Melinda Melinda Hofman Corporate Affairs Manager IOOF Holdings Limited I hope that allays any concerns that you may have about Masonic connections . With kind regards, Peter Rev Peter Abetz MLA (Associate Pastor) 67 Froudist Circle Southern River 6110 Phone: Home +61 (0)8 9456 2712 Electorate Office: +61 (0)8 9256 4900 Mobile: 0409 076 155 E-mail: pabetz at crca.org.au Grace Christian Reformed Church Current place of worship: Seveth Day Adventist Church Wendling Rd North Beach WA 6020 Worship times: Sundays: 8:30 am & 10.30 am Website: www.gracecrc.org.au From: John Westendorp [mailto:tcrc at aapt.net.au] Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 5:50 AM To: 'Peter Abetz'; crca at crca.org.au Cc: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Mins] Important message for ministers and employees regarding superannuation Wow, Peter, that brings back memories for me. When we first came to Australia my parents took out health insurance with IOOF. We were living in Bonnie Doon in central Victoria at the time. Six years later the family moved to Dandenong. I recall a home visit the family had from the elders of the church where the question of Masonic Lodge membership and other secret societies came up. It was a real issue in those days as many Reformies left the Presbyterian Church over that issue and liberalism. My Dad acknowledged involvement with the Masons - but only through their mutual health fund. The upshot of the discussion was that my Father was convicted that he was wrong in staying with them as he was indirectly supporting the Masonic Lodge. You are now telling his son that his super will now be handled by the Independent Order of Odd Fellows - a Masonic order. I'm going to have to think about that and maybe others will too. Do we support the Masons just for some financial gain? Good question, or what? Shalom John Westendorp Westy's Weekly Blog Keep it to yourself This past week I was following a discussion on the Internet about the growth of atheism in Australia. Apparently, according to figures from the latest census, the number of professing atheists in Australia has grown. Our local newspaper triggered the debate by asking whether there was still a future for religion. Read more.! From: mins-bounces at crca.org.au [mailto:mins-bounces at crca.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Abetz Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:15 AM To: crca at crca.org.au Cc: mins at crca.org.au Subject: [Mins] Important message for ministers and employees regarding superannuation Dear CRCA Super Fund Members, Back in April, you would have received a letter from Plan B, advising that IOOF had taken over the business of Plan B, which means that IOOF (or more specifically IOOF Investment Management Limited - abbreviated to IIML) is now the trustee for the Lifetime Superannuation Fund - CRCA Employer Super Fund. (The CRCA Super Fund is a sub-plan of the Lifetime Superannuation Fund). The reason for this friendly takeover was that Plan B realised that in an ever more competitive market, the cost of operating a relatively small business becomes more difficult, and made its fees increasingly less competitive. In the second half of 2013 all CRCA Super accounts will be transferred over to IOOF's product known as Spectrum Super, which is one of the largest corporate super funds used by employers, including names like Bendigo Bank Staff, The Perth Mint, Ausdrill, BGC, Blackmores and Crown Equipment. IOOF has offices in every capital city of Australia with dedicated Relationship Managers able to assist members. There are two big benefits to you: 1. The fees drawn from your account each year will be significantly less 2. You will have a much larger range of investment options. You can still chose to simply leave your funds in the default account setting (very similar to the current default setting), or you can choose from a wide range of investment options (over 400!). You will be able to invest in ready made portfolios (much like the various Plan B options), or self selected managed funds, or you can choose to virtually manage your own investment portfolio via their website, where you can allocate your funds to buy /sell ASX300 shares or you can opt for term deposits. When the change occurs you will be notified in writing and receive information about all your options, or you can visit www.spectrumsuper.comau for further details. As the church has an obligation to provide for ministers and their families in the event of serious illness or death, the current default Death and Total Permanent Disability (TPD) insurance levels will be carried over to your new Spectrum Account. If you wish to increase your life and TPD insurance within Spectrum Super you can do so, but (as previously) you can not go below the minimum with out the approval of the denominational committee responsible for looking after superannuation issues. The purpose of this letter is just to keep you informed as to what is happening with your current superannuation account. Any new employee /minister will automatically be joining Spectrum Super and not Plan B's Lifetime Superannuation Fund. With kind regards Peter (Member of the CRCA Super Policy Committee) Rev Peter Abetz MLA (Associate Pastor) 67 Froudist Circle Southern River 6110 Phone: Home +61 (0)8 9456 2712 Electorate Office: +61 (0)8 9256 4900 Mobile: 0409 076 155 E-mail: pabetz at crca.org.au Grace Christian Reformed Church Current place of worship: Seveth Day Adventist Church Wendling Rd North Beach WA 6020 Worship times: Sundays: 8:30 am & 10.30 am Website: www.gracecrc.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After a time of worship led by the worship team of Bray Park, Murray Capill again gave the plenary address, challenging believers to be radical disciples. This time KJ Tromp, the pastor from the Nerang congregation, joined Ray Rus, Jonathan Vandenberg, and Jack De Vries as one of the elective speakers. One of those who attended the conference summed up the day beautifully: " The conference was excellent and I believe God was really at work here today." And God was! read more Be blessed to be a blessing! Jack De Vries Ministry Development Coach Christian Reformed Churches of Australia 49 Hunter Circuit Petrie, QLD 4502 P: 07 3285 3678 M: 0437 339 008 E: mtc at crca.org.au www.ministryformation.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We would appreciate your warm encouragement of this campaign and your prayer for the work of church planting in the CRCA. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Clinton Clinton Berends Pastor - South Barwon CRC clinton at southbarwon.org.au 0424477487 www.southbarwon.org.au cid:image001.gif at 01CD01C6.9F5FA3D0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2777 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Brick Campaign.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 195802 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The money you contribute will go to churches in their first 3 years as they seek to glorify God by reaching the lost for Christ. Today you will receive a letter from the Church Planting Taskforce and a flyer explaining how you can give. Please take time to read these and prayerfully consider the contribution you might be able to make. Clinton Berends Pastor - South Barwon CRC clinton at southbarwon.org.au 0424477487 www.southbarwon.org.au cid:image001.gif at 01CD01C6.9F5FA3D0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2777 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Bulletins mailing list Bulletins at crca.org.au To manage subscription settings - http://crca.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bulletins_crca.org.au